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Post by John previously FoA Sun Dec 27, 2020 4:25 pm

These are smashing reads thanks. Will come back with better critique after mince pies have settled a bit.
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Post by John previously FoA Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:38 pm

To keep info going as I understand it 5e RIC had an unusual OB; comprising 1er SASB a Naval para and infantry BN, sometime called Commando Ponchardier (the CO) which I have OB for somewhere. The two para coy where organised on US Para lines and the Commando Coys where like British Commando Troops.

When deployed to Indochine they were split up, operating in Annam, Cochinchina and Cambodia.

There were a number of other parachute elements belonging to Force 136 operating like Jedburgh teams in Laos and Annam.
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Post by air bubbles Mon Dec 28, 2020 1:39 pm

Native/Colonial infantry units 1945. - Page 2 Ueindo11
Native/Colonial infantry units 1945. - Page 2 Ue211
Native/Colonial infantry units 1945. - Page 2 Ue311
Some pics of the UE in Indochina , apparently 5 were captured by Thailand and after the ceasefire the French wanted them back . The museum piece is in a Thai museum so I guess they didnt get them all back . The first pic of the two with the names is from 1945 .
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Post by air bubbles Mon Dec 28, 2020 1:46 pm

and there's this useful thread on the bolt action forum with some nice photos

https://boltactionfr.forumactif.be/t2315-indochine-1940-500-pts
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Post by John previously FoA Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:25 pm

Thanks air bubbles.
I've seen the top photo in French book 'Autos sous l'uniforme' (to abbreviate).
It is quite interesting too. Since I assume the Thai ones were captured in 40/41. The top photo is allegedly in Cambodia in 1945. Also last French mobile formation, created just prior to Japanese coup had 8/12 UEs listed. This means at least 13/17 were shipped, possibly not all at same time.
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Post by Redfox Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:32 am

hello
I've got this one too, I can make a scan of the article if you want
Colonies:nos motorisés face aux siamois 1941
Colonies: our armored vehicles facing the Siamese 1941


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Post by John previously FoA Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:02 pm

Redfox that would be very interesting, if it is not too much trouble.

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Post by Redfox Wed Dec 30, 2020 12:34 pm

Here it is John
I will make the first one later (chars renault FT17 et automirailleuses en Indochine )
https://www.mediafire.com/file/0sfh2nxa7fnksu1/Motorisation+aux+colonies.pdf/file
Have a nice read
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Ps : I will receive tomorrow this book , perhaps we can have answers to your question.
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Post by John previously FoA Wed Dec 30, 2020 2:30 pm

So with this info we're getting a reasonable picture. The 1919 local forces info - in photo clip - has a much higher ratio of MG section to rifle companies (1.5:1) compared to WW2 (2.25:1). However the Tirailleur info I believe relates to 9e/11e RIC, possibly also 10e and 16e RIC.

VERY INTERESTING is the Bolt Action link which explains those Renault UE with MG casement. Additionally introduces 4 modified Panhard 178 AMD.

THANKS.

Will outline view in next post Tirailleur Indochinois OB which is a bit clearer now.
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Post by Redfox Fri Jan 01, 2021 7:59 am

Hey John
I received the book but there's no order of battle in it ,but a friend of mine give me this info on wargamevault
https://www.wargamevault.com/browse/pub/3426/MicroMark-Army-Lists/subcategory/5776_5958/WW2-FRENCH
These are army list for vichy in indochina ,
I bought them ( really cheap)  and it can be very useful .
Vichy French Annam Brigade, 1938-1945, Indo-China
Vichy French Tonkin Division, 1938-1945, Indo-China
Vichy French Corps Support, 1938-1945, Indo-China
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Post by John previously FoA Fri Jan 01, 2021 8:31 am

Thanks Redfox I'll have a butcher's.
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